I thought the DLC muddled things, really. Which DLC stories and escapes are canon, and which aren't? The Volunteer escapes through a mimic portal in one ending, while he gets his head 'sploded in an escape pod in another. Moreover, only one escape pod is functioning, and in both Vijay Bhatia's story and Claire Whitten's escape, Claire escapes in an escape pod, either getting away or being 'sploded by Bhatia.Also, the amount of damage telepathically enslaved humans exert when they explode would be more than enough to obliterate any mimics inside the pod, thus negating any purpose to the Telepath's goals. Joan's story was mostly pointless, Riley Yu's story doesn't have very much relevance, and in the end, you land on the moon, but appear to run out of oxygen and pass out while you're hundreds of feet away from a shuttle, which makes any survival of Peter, the hacker, highly baffling, if he did indeed survive.His survival is the only thing that would explain the doll being taken to Earth, though, which appears to be what happens in the end, but then how would a guy with arguably more experience than Morgan Yu at handling mimics fail to check for mimics before landing? I mean really now. Very little in this game made sense, and what's canon and what isn't is mind-bending, and not in the kinda good way that the ending to the vanilla game was in my opinion.
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Originally posted by:I thought the DLC muddled things, really. Which DLC stories and escapes are canon, and which aren't?
The Volunteer escapes through a mimic portal in one ending, while he gets his head 'sploded in an escape pod in another. Moreover, only one escape pod is functioning, and in both Vijay Bhatia's story and Claire Whitten's escape, Claire escapes in an escape pod, either getting away or being 'sploded by Bhatia.I just took all the different escapes to be Kasma's way of safely removing Peter from a simulation without him having to be killed in a sim first, and not having anything at all to do with how they all died down there. Originally posted by:His survival is the only thing that would explain the doll being taken to Earth, though, which appears to be what happens in the end, but then how would a guy with arguably more experience than Morgan Yu at handling mimics fail to check for mimics before landing? I mean really now.
Very little in this game made sense, and what's canon and what isn't is mind-bending, and not in the kinda good way that the ending to the vanilla game was in my opinion.That's not how I interpreted the end, although I will watch it again closely to confirm when I finish my second run-through. I remember there being two dolls in the shuttle that you were heading for on the moon at the very end, and one of them flickered like a simulation. I think Peter running the simulation of the moon escapes was a simulation itself, and he had either done it before or other people were doing it, too. I'm pretty sure that the real Peter does not survice Mooncrash, if he was even alive to begin with.
Originally posted by:His survival is the only thing that would explain the doll being taken to Earth, though, which appears to be what happens in the end, but then how would a guy with arguably more experience than Morgan Yu at handling mimics fail to check for mimics before landing? I mean really now. Very little in this game made sense, and what's canon and what isn't is mind-bending, and not in the kinda good way that the ending to the vanilla game was in my opinion.That's not how I interpreted the end, although I will watch it again closely to confirm when I finish my second run-through. I remember there being two dolls in the shuttle that you were heading for on the moon at the very end, and one of them flickered like a simulation. I think Peter running the simulation of the moon escapes was a simulation itself, and he had either done it before or other people were doing it, too. Originally posted by:I thought the DLC muddled things, really. Which DLC stories and escapes are canon, and which aren't?
The Volunteer escapes through a mimic portal in one ending, while he gets his head 'sploded in an escape pod in another. Moreover, only one escape pod is functioning, and in both Vijay Bhatia's story and Claire Whitten's escape, Claire escapes in an escape pod, either getting away or being 'sploded by Bhatia.Also, the amount of damage telepathically enslaved humans exert when they explode would be more than enough to obliterate any mimics inside the pod, thus negating any purpose to the Telepath's goals. Joan's story was mostly pointless, Riley Yu's story doesn't have very much relevance, and in the end, you land on the moon, but appear to run out of oxygen and pass out while you're hundreds of feet away from a shuttle, which makes any survival of Peter, the hacker, highly baffling, if he did indeed survive.His survival is the only thing that would explain the doll being taken to Earth, though, which appears to be what happens in the end, but then how would a guy with arguably more experience than Morgan Yu at handling mimics fail to check for mimics before landing? I mean really now. Very little in this game made sense, and what's canon and what isn't is mind-bending, and not in the kinda good way that the ending to the vanilla game was in my opinion.in the simulation, there's a mimic in the back of the shuttle.
That's the mimic that got to earth. Originally posted by:I thought the DLC muddled things, really. Which DLC stories and escapes are canon, and which aren't?
The Volunteer escapes through a mimic portal in one ending, while he gets his head 'sploded in an escape pod in another. Moreover, only one escape pod is functioning, and in both Vijay Bhatia's story and Claire Whitten's escape, Claire escapes in an escape pod, either getting away or being 'sploded by Bhatia.Also, the amount of damage telepathically enslaved humans exert when they explode would be more than enough to obliterate any mimics inside the pod, thus negating any purpose to the Telepath's goals. Joan's story was mostly pointless, Riley Yu's story doesn't have very much relevance, and in the end, you land on the moon, but appear to run out of oxygen and pass out while you're hundreds of feet away from a shuttle, which makes any survival of Peter, the hacker, highly baffling, if he did indeed survive.His survival is the only thing that would explain the doll being taken to Earth, though, which appears to be what happens in the end, but then how would a guy with arguably more experience than Morgan Yu at handling mimics fail to check for mimics before landing? I mean really now. Very little in this game made sense, and what's canon and what isn't is mind-bending, and not in the kinda good way that the ending to the vanilla game was in my opinion.in the simulation, there's a mimic in the back of the shuttle. That's the mimic that got to earth.But how is the shuttle there for the protagonist to use if he reenacted the other survivors' escapes? It should be gone.
Originally posted by:in the simulation, there's a mimic in the back of the shuttle. That's the mimic that got to earth.But how is the shuttle there for the protagonist to use if he reenacted the other survivors' escapes? It should be gone.
It's a plot hole, and a big one.if i recal correctly, Joan takes the shuttle to escape, right? Maybe none of them escaped, and the simulation was imperfect.
I suppose the only true escape would be Riley's, since you got the data operator. I guess arkane didn't think this through.
Originally posted by:Since you find all of their dead bodies except for the volunteer, my guess is it went like this: The volunteer escapes and dies in the missing escape shuttle, Riley uploads her conscience and dies in the process, Vijay kills the spy and dies in a shootout after failing to escape because of the moonshark, and Joan just doesn't make it because the shuttle is still there and you do find her dead body. Finally, Peter escapes via the shuttle and dies by a mimic.Good theories, though technically the presence of the bodies isn't a guarantee that the character even died or that the different means of escape were or weren't used. Hell, there could even be other escape routes we aren't aware of that the simulation doesn't show. The simulation is an estimation of what happened. After all, the fact we can play as characters who are supposed to be dead and escape as them is a sign that everything isn't necessarily 'canon' in the sim. Heck, the different characters can escape in different ways in the sim, including Riley.Also, the enemies spawn in different locations, spawn in different quantities, types, have different items, the various black boxes we have to power things with are/aren't working depending on the sim version, etc. One might argue 'Well, the character bodies are consistently in the same place, so that means it's canon,' but I would argue that it's because of the way the bodies are posed and the devs would have hell making them look like they were placed in an aesthetically pleasing fashion with procedural generation.The only things I would say are canonical with certainty concerning the different survivors and escape routes is Riley Yu's death and consciousness upload, and that the shuttle is left behind since the player has to escape using it.
However, that doesn't mean that more escape pods weren't functioning than the sim implied. There's no way to know for sure since it's a sim.